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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: TK1991 on February 02, 2013, 05:00 am
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I've always heard growing up that if you held the smoke in your lungs long enough it would crystallize i.e cause permanent damage? I wanted to try smoking it sometime but this totally turned me off of it, I was wondering if any pros could jump in with some ya/nah?
Thanks everybody, TK
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No, it doesn't recrystallize although I am sure I will get flamed for saying as much since everyone grew up hearing the same thing. It's a salt, salt dissolves in water, your lungs are very wet places.
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DiamondSky is right, this is merely a largely popular misconception. I don't know if holding the smoke in longer than a few seconds adds anything to the feel anyways but yeah, of the physical issues you could experience from smoking meth, crystals in the lung is not a problem you need to worry about.
Cheers!
Snoopish
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Smoking meth is very bad for you.
The vapours melt the rubber stoppers in glassware and rusts razor blades.
Orally is the way to go, but hey each to their own.
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It absolutely does not recrystallize in your lungs. Just another lie created to scare uninformed people out of using drugs..
Another thing..
The vapours melt the rubber stoppers in glassware and rusts razor blades.
You know, water rusts razor blades too, and you're supposed to drink 9 cups of that shit every DAY...
Just saying.. :)
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Whew that was a relief to hear. I'm just mostly curious because I'm a pot smoker (bongs) so my tendency is to hold it in as long as I can. If I do a similar technique with meth will it absorb more? It just seems like a waste to take a hoot and blow it out right away (like DMT)
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If it's not absorbed in the system (and instead is blown out), then yes, some is being wasted.
There's a good many other ways of administering, some with greater efficiency (and their own risks).
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If it's not absorbed in the system (and instead is blown out), then yes, some is being wasted.
There's a good many other ways of administering, some with greater efficiency (and their own risks).
Won't do needles, but more emphasis on the first part... How would one avoid this? Just take tiny hoots one after the other and hold it in a decent period of time? (10-20 seconds)
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Exhale into a bag/balloon or other capture device, then rebreathe it? or shotgun (mouth to mouth) your party partner...
Alternatively, condense the smoke into a smaller space before inhaling, to improve efficiency (water pipe)?
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Alternatively, condense the smoke into a smaller space before inhaling, to improve efficiency (water pipe)?
I was thinking something like that, mainly because I smoke pot out of them constantly. But as with cannabis, more thc is actually pulled out of the water than tar, do you think I would lose amph in this same way?
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I've read all sorts of conflicting reports on the availability of meth in recycled smoke (technically vapor I think). Some claim the meth gets absorbed too quickly too make recycling possible while others think there is plenty still left in there. Not being much of a scientist myself I think the old school way of testing the theory is to shotgun hit a friend (i.e. blow your smoke in their mouth) and see if they feel it.
As far as other ROI's go, I've always been a big plugging fan and meth goes up the bum just fine. Won't hit as hard / fast as smoke but makes much better use of the drug and will get you higher / longer than snorting / smoking while hitting faster than eating it.
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I'm thinking the shotgun tests sound like more fun than plugging, but that's just me.
Perhaps replacing the water in the bong with ice? Guaranteed to cool and condense, plus much less likely to absorb.
I'm sure some science freaks could rig up a spiral pipe like a condenser and either cooling it with a water cooling system, like for a computer cpu, or a set of peltier cooler elements. Mmm, the mad scientist wheels are turning.
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I was watching an intervention and these guys were doing meth in the most insane ways. First off, just big ass bongs and stuff that I thought would be overkill just for smoking pot, then this one guy. Holy shit this guy was nuts. He'd heat up a long glass tube about a 1/4 of the length with a torch till it was glowing hot, then he would snort meth through the tube! Like holy shit!
Long story short I'm sure there are crazy ass elf machine things you could make, but I just have a little glass dick and a tiny shard of amph and I want to experiment :)
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I was watching an intervention and these guys were doing meth in the most insane ways. First off, just big ass bongs and stuff that I thought would be overkill just for smoking pot, then this one guy. Holy shit this guy was nuts. He'd heat up a long glass tube about a 1/4 of the length with a torch till it was glowing hot, then he would snort meth through the tube! Like holy shit!
Long story short I'm sure there are crazy ass elf machine things you could make, but I just have a little glass dick and a tiny shard of amph and I want to experiment :)
hot railing is not a new thing...i heard about it 20 years before that tv show even existed...if you think all that is insane then you don't know meth addicts...thats what meth does...it makes you take things past the edge...
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I was watching an intervention and these guys were doing meth in the most insane ways. First off, just big ass bongs and stuff that I thought would be overkill just for smoking pot, then this one guy. Holy shit this guy was nuts. He'd heat up a long glass tube about a 1/4 of the length with a torch till it was glowing hot, then he would snort meth through the tube! Like holy shit!
Long story short I'm sure there are crazy ass elf machine things you could make, but I just have a little glass dick and a tiny shard of amph and I want to experiment :)
Well to get you all hip on the lingo that's called a "Hot Rail". The idea is that some of it vaporizes (aka smokes) and the rest still gets up the nose to be snorted... It's mostly for people who can't really commit or just want to mix it up a little. If you haven't smoked meth before I would probably do it with someone who has or, as funny as it sounds, read / watch a few tutorials. There's sort of an art to it since you don't actually want to burn it, just convert it into a gas.
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if you think all that is insane then you don't know meth addicts...thats what meth does...it makes you take things past the edge...
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And I hope I never do! I've only ever taken it orally and probably always will... I just got curious is all :)
Same way I felt when I first put pot into brownies, "This is retarded, why aren't we just smoking this?"
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It absolutely does not recrystallize in your lungs. Just another lie created to scare uninformed people out of using drugs..
Another thing..
The vapours melt the rubber stoppers in glassware and rusts razor blades.
You know, water rusts razor blades too, and you're supposed to drink 9 cups of that shit every DAY...
Just saying.. :)
Our bodies are already 75% water, not acid and ephedrine.
But after seeing your avatar, i'm sure no one would ever be able to change your mind.
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It absolutely does not recrystallize in your lungs. Just another lie created to scare uninformed people out of using drugs..
Another thing..
The vapours melt the rubber stoppers in glassware and rusts razor blades.
You know, water rusts razor blades too, and you're supposed to drink 9 cups of that shit every DAY...
Just saying.. :)
Our bodies are already 75% water, not acid and ephedrine.
But after seeing your avatar, i'm sure no one would ever be able to change your mind.
The human body is made up of 60% water.
There is acid in your stomach(Hydrocloric acid. Same kind used in many synth's)
Most(if not all) methamphetamine you are likely to buy will be methamphetamine HCL. This salt is freely soluable in water.
You might wanna go look up how the respiratory system works...
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So I guess the question is how to 'healthy vape'?
Wondered about trying one of the commercial oil vaporizers, but haven't found many positive reviews. Also, not sure if it's any more healthy or stealthy, or just a great way to part with cash.
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It absolutely does not recrystallize in your lungs. Just another lie created to scare uninformed people out of using drugs..
Another thing..
The vapours melt the rubber stoppers in glassware and rusts razor blades.
Its not 60% so i suggest maybe you look it up.
You know, water rusts razor blades too, and you're supposed to drink 9 cups of that shit every DAY...
Just saying.. :)
Our bodies are already 75% water, not acid and ephedrine.
But after seeing your avatar, i'm sure no one would ever be able to change your mind.
The human body is made up of 60% water.
There is acid in your stomach(Hydrocloric acid. Same kind used in many synth's)
Most(if not all) methamphetamine you are likely to buy will be methamphetamine HCL. This salt is freely soluable in water.
You might wanna go look up how the respiratory system works...
Is the acid inside you being burned and turned into a vapour? No, so seriously, if you think there are no side effects to smoking meth, you need your head screwed on.
And its 75% water, go look it up.
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It absolutely does not recrystallize in your lungs. Just another lie created to scare uninformed people out of using drugs..
Another thing..
The vapours melt the rubber stoppers in glassware and rusts razor blades.
Its not 60% so i suggest maybe you look it up.
You know, water rusts razor blades too, and you're supposed to drink 9 cups of that shit every DAY...
Just saying.. :)
Our bodies are already 75% water, not acid and ephedrine.
But after seeing your avatar, i'm sure no one would ever be able to change your mind.
The human body is made up of 60% water.
There is acid in your stomach(Hydrocloric acid. Same kind used in many synth's)
Most(if not all) methamphetamine you are likely to buy will be methamphetamine HCL. This salt is freely soluable in water.
You might wanna go look up how the respiratory system works...
Is the acid inside you being burned and turned into a vapour? No, so seriously, if you think there are no side effects to smoking meth, you need your head screwed on.
And its 75% water, go look it up.
Since you suggested looking it up this is what I found on wikipedia:
In physiology, body water is the water content of the human body. A significant fraction of the human body is water.
Arthur Guyton 's Textbook of Medical Physiology states that "the total amount of water in a man of average weight (70 kilograms) is approximately 40 litres, averaging 57 percent of his total body weight. In a newborn infant, this may be as high as 75 percent of the body weight, but it progressively decreases from birth to old age, most of the decrease occurring during the first 10 years of life. Also, obesity decreases the percentage of water in the body, sometimes to as low as 45 percent".[1][2] These figures are statistical averages, so are illustrative, and like all biostatistics, will vary with things like type of population, age and number of people sampled, and methodology. So there is not, and cannot be, a figure that is exactly the same for all people, for this or any other physiological measure. For example, Jackson's (1985) Anatomy & Physiology for Nurses gives a figure of 60% for the proportion of body-weight attributable to water, which approximates Guyton's 57%.[3]
Not that it matters, just thought I would toss it out there, you all got me curious.
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What about risk of infections in the lungs since your exposing them to more moisture. It just has me curious. I can't seem to find any information on the correlation of infection when using saunas. The meth smoke isn't smoke, it's vapor correct? So in theory you would be introducing more moisture to your lungs also? I don't see the point in saving your exhale unless blowing a shotgun to someone of course. I personally don't like inhaling carbon dioxide. But, i would imagine it would intensify the rush due to oxygen deprivation. If the container only contained the meth vapor and carbon dioxide of your exhale.? Thoughts?
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Is the acid inside you being burned and turned into a vapour? No, so seriously, if you think there are no side effects to smoking meth, you need your head screwed on.
And its 75% water, go look it up.
Funnily enough, I did look it up, thats why I posted.
I also did not, at any time, imply that smoking meth did not have any side effects, you seem to have some sort of personal crusade against methamphetamine specifically.
Smoking anything will damage the respiratory system, it has evolved for a certain purpose, and inhalation of caustic chemicals are not a part of that purpose. However smoking cigarettes, for example, has a greater negative effect than smoking meth. Smoking weed is not quite as bad as meth(it can in fact, be good for the respiratory system if the user is also a heavy cigarette smoker) but it still has a cumulative negative effect.
@sniper123: Your lungs are filled with moisture. Grab a mirror and breathe on it, notice the water droplets?
The idea of saving your exhale comes from the absorption rate of the vapour in the lungs. As far as I know, nobody has actually researched it. If some of the exhalation contains un-absorbed methamphetamine, it would be prudent to save said vapour for re-dosing. I personally believe that little, if any meth remains upon exhalation, and definitely not enough to make it worthwhile.
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I personally believe that little, if any meth remains upon exhalation, and definitely not enough to make it worthwhile.
Haha that's all I really needed, now go ahead and argue your little hearts out :P
<3 <3
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I've seen at least one person say that after they started holding it in instead of just blowing it back out, they found their meth lasted days longer (as in it was taking less to get him high). But I agree with Fractal... it never seems to make a difference. I gave up vaping though; I really don't recommend it. It's noticeably worse for you that way.
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Hey ladies and gentlemen I believe it's different for everyone. % seconds seems to be the optimized number for me but most times i hold it for 3 secs. Before I found out I used to hold it in like weed and then I started noticing the effects it had and said to myself, I said "self, fuck that shit"
Anyways I used to live near a spring and so I got used to drinking lots of water. Just like anything else your body can slowly adapt and build up to certain levels. Believe it or not I was drinking ten milk jugs a week of spring water. That really isn't that much. It's just over a gallon a day and the more you drink means the higher percentage that your body is made up of.
Has anyone seen the experiments of Dr. Emato or whatever the fuck his name is. That little asian dude who discovered all those secrets about water? It's easy to find by going to youtube and searching "water discoveries" and his name should show up in the videos liste in the search results. There's also a 12 video series that is very interesting.
Basically the human mind is the control panel we are born with and water is the magical substance that can be manipulated by thought wave frequencies. Water is in more then the human body but since it is in the human body then there is some possibilities of self healing not to mention the possibilities of alchemy and the ability to change the minds and soften those hearts that are set against you.
This rabbit hole goes deep. I guess it sounds pretty crazy to most people.
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This rabbit hole goes deep. I guess it sounds pretty crazy to most people.
No worries, as long as you realize that it really does sound totally nuts, you aren't insane. It's when you stop thinking that it might sound crazy to other people that you're in trouble :)
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...the possibilities of alchemy...
please extrapolate - i'm curious, but i cant download youtube stuff with a prepaid internet connection
isn't alchemy the inbred cousin of chemistry?
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Soyou guys are saying im the only one smoking meth and blowin the vapor out my nose and has time release meth boogers?
:)
nomad
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Nomad thanks for painting that graffiti in my head. I'll never be able to 'unsee' that time release meth booger....
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if you smoked your meth boogers, would you get high?
:P
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I've seen at least one person say that after they started holding it in instead of just blowing it back out, they found their meth lasted days longer (as in it was taking less to get him high). ....
Yep I am a breath holder. My friends seem to take great pleasure in blowing the smoke out, remarking on how thick it is. When I hold it in I blow out practically no smoke. I think I get way more fekked up than they do.
Try it sometime
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I've seen at least one person say that after they started holding it in instead of just blowing it back out, they found their meth lasted days longer (as in it was taking less to get him high). ....
Yep I am a breath holder. My friends seem to take great pleasure in blowing the smoke out, remarking on how thick it is. When I hold it in I blow out practically no smoke. I think I get way more fekked up than they do.
Try it sometime
I've heard it said that holding it in causes much more damage to the lungs (although I know the bullshit about recrystallizing is false) do you have any experience with that? Such as coughing or pain or whatever when holding it in as opposed to just exhaling? I haven't really tried holding versus quick release so I'd be interested to hear some more experiences about this.
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Well, I tried it.
Holding it in worked remarkably better, that being said after the second session (the one I held in my hoots) my back chest and kidneys started to get really sore. No idea why, but it definitely put me into a funk.
Soooo probably will never smoke it again. Plugged or pills 100%
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I've seen at least one person say that after they started holding it in instead of just blowing it back out, they found their meth lasted days longer (as in it was taking less to get him high). ....
Yep I am a breath holder. My friends seem to take great pleasure in blowing the smoke out, remarking on how thick it is. When I hold it in I blow out practically no smoke. I think I get way more fekked up than they do.
Try it sometime
I've heard it said that holding it in causes much more damage to the lungs (although I know the bullshit about recrystallizing is false) do you have any experience with that? Such as coughing or pain or whatever when holding it in as opposed to just exhaling? I haven't really tried holding versus quick release so I'd be interested to hear some more experiences about this.
I am not a smoker and I am pretty fit. Yes my lunges get sore if I hit it hard, but not worse than when I blow it straight out. Either way I do see a drop in "lung performance" after I have used meth. oh well. still worth it.